[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> Baudrillard and the 1983 comments

["KATERINA D." <knd@hol.gr>]

Baudrillard has been discussing the new developments in technology and
communication, principally associated with Internet, during the last years.
His stance is highly sceptical, at times aphoristic of a medium which
according to his theory exemplifies hyper-reality and fakeness.

katerin
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Subject: Re: <nettime> Baudrillard and the 1983 comments


> <...>
> >Why would an "overproduction" (relative to what?) of meaning and
> >discourse result in an undecipherable reality? when was there a
> >situation when reality was easily and uncontroversially "decipherable"?
> >I suspect Baudrillard is talking about some of the campaigns of the
> >1970s, conducted largely by mimeograph and photocopy and telephone,
> >the most prominent example in Paris being solidarity with Russian and
> >East Block dissidents and prisoners of conscience. By "electronic" he
> >probably means mass media like TV and radio.
>
> I welocme all of your comments;
> * Baudrillard in this footnote mentions the initial actions of the
students
> during the Paris 'event'. He writes:
>
> "One would not hesitate to analyse the intervention of the media in May
> 1968 in this sense.  The extension given to the student action permitted
> the general strike, but the latter was precisely a black box which
> neutralised the original virulence of the movement.  The very
amplification
> was a mortal trap and not a positive extension."
>
> * Yes Baudrillard largely talks of radio and television (hence his
> discussion of McLuhan). However how do his remarks fair in light of the
> Internet?
>
> j.
>
>
> >At 1:10:50 AM on Thursday, February 08, 2001, jay@gibsonnet.net wrote:
> >
> >> Baudrillard in a footnote to his 'Implosion of Meaning in the Media'
> (1983)
> >> writes:
> >
> >> "Distrust the universalisation of struggles through information.
Distrust
> >> campaigns of solidarity that is both electronic and worldwide. Every
> >> strategy of the universlaisation of differences is an entropic strategy
of
> >> the system."
>  <...>
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