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Subj: [Genius2000Conference2000] Electricity and distance Date: 2/15/2001 10:42:22 AM Central Standard Time From: [email protected] (Lebares, Carter) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]"> [email protected]</A> To: [email protected] ('[email protected]') MAX WROTE: snip--yet I still do. He couldn't help himself I'm sure, but writing such an essay is a sickening act of mental elitism. CARTER WRITES: I blame people in this mode, too, much more than I blame some nut who flips and kills some people. Not b/c I harbor a death wish against ANYONE, but because in my own way I know how it feels to be disenfranchised, alienated, and to carry the sense that you do not belong. That sensation is humorously satirized all over the place (tv, movie, blah, blah) but it's really not funny when you're in the midst of it. It is so fuckin deeply painful; which isn't whining - it's just true. And sometimes, in this state, you look at the cheerleaders or the jocks in your environment(and these can be grown up yuppie/techie versions or the real deal) and you hate them. I've hated them. I've been so furious at their ignorance and happiness and afforded niavete and have been overwhelmed with the sense that their lack of awareness is directly related to the hurt, anger, and poverty around me. Not that I would say these ills are directly the fault of the....whatever you call these folks. More that they have the resources, the access, the education and the fuckin' ability frankly TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT - AND YET THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Why should they? For them, distance is dead. My point being, that although I haven't walked down the road in it's entirety I have definitely seen the road where alienation almost drives one mad. And the rage and hurt and exclusion - I can imagine - could drive someone to kill. Now, don't get me wrong. I still believe people who DO walk this road should be removed and helped to heal. (and honestly, if they hurt someone close to me I'd probably want to kick the living shit out of 'em too). Nevertheless, I think violence is totally fucked up and should never be taken lightly. But, what about the more subtle (and arguably more insidious) form of violence that leaves millions on the planet in poverty and ignorance while 225 of us wipe our asses with Lincoln's - we've got so much of it to spare. What about THAT violence? And these fuckers didn't grow up in some shitty hut with a name like John "Cornfed" schnieder, ignorant as a rock and filled with poverty. They have all the oppurtunities in the world to know better - don't they? MAX WROTE: My toughest internal conflict right now is how to relate to nn, who sets such a high importance on technology. Question: perhaps nn is de-mystifying technology completely? As I recall, they guy who thought the space essay was so great had prefaced his remarks by suggesting the idea of "artistic social software" (the category nn won in the transmediale) was less nifty than the no-distance deal. nn in fact has discussed her work as the preservation of distance (and related this to Einstein's idea that matter is based on the distance between proton and electron). CARTER WRITES: I don't know nn, but distance is all electrical. The distance b/tn my axon firing and your dendrite receiving my impulse is as long as infinity, which is why we struggle so hard to understand one another. What if, through "social software" or whatever (as I said to whatsisname down at Sony [i.e. Randall Packer at Dolby during his Wagner to VR talk in 1999]), we could connect some of our synapses either literally or metaphorically. I mean damn, the fuckin' optic nerve has a direct feed into the brain. In one sense, even before the image is inverted or experiences any other manipulation, it has hit our cortex as raw data. There are so many other processing steps, dilutive effects if you will, between other sensory receptors and the brainule. But not the eye! That's the whammy channel (why think TV is so potent?) What if I could share, in part, the experience of being another gender, color, ethnicity, age, species? My lord, life would never be the same. Look at the genome, phylogeny tables, chromosomal homology - ALL THE DATA ABOUT OUR BASICE INFRASTRUCTURES, SCAFFOLDING AND BUILDING BLOCKS. Same, same, practically the fuckin same! There are universal themes in all of us and we just don't know how to tell each other what they are. Unless you get lucky like perhaps some of us here have. And then we know it's possible. Maybe nn wants to make something to help us do this? That would be really nice, I think. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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