<nettime> format curry digest [schultz, zeidner]

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Re: Adam Curry: Formats - We need them like we need a hole in the head
     Pit Schultz <pit@klubradio.de>
     josh zeidner <jjzeidner@yahoo.com>

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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:08:34 +0200
From: Pit Schultz <pit@klubradio.de>
To: josh zeidner <jjzeidner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re[2]: <nettime> Adam Curry: Formats - We need them like we need a hole in the head

Hello josh,

Wednesday, July 18, 2001, 7:29:57 PM, you wrote:

i'm not a friend of the order of genres either. but
i do not think that this is what curry aims calling
a format. when i go through a wood i don't think
about the names of the trees.

a format is maybe something like "detroit techno"
which is only becoming a genre in terms of
a section in the archive, in a process of historification.
in its strong time 10 years ago maybe it happened
in a media network of social struggle, cars,
futurism, electronics, radio stations, and
a network of record collectors from diversive
places as duesseldorf and brooklyn.

the problem with many of the p2p standards is that
they look good on paper or they are brutally efficiant,
but finally i prefer to get an account to
a well sorted hotline server, and there we have
the old bbs model (or format), or club model or
label or dj. (certainly not the mediator, or
explainer or online journalist ;))

it's always the social system which has to run
a software, especially if it involves cultural
content. its the conincidences of placement
and displacement, like with the blue note label
in jazz music. this *is* a format.

in case of fusion music, and fizzyfying subgenre
microcosm of electronica. i like the idea
of something simple and strong coming up
from a place where you don't expect it,
(like detroit techno 10 years ago mixing up
with berlin and frankfurt techno etc. )

i think this post napster phase is very interesting
not only in terms of net technology and
copyright but how it builds new clouds of data,
amalgames of production and distribution,
something like the 12", the mix etc. is still
dominated by the talk about technological standards.
meanwhile the strenght of the ecology of small
record labels lays in very intersting mixed
economic models, including potlatch, collaborative
filtering, remixing, open source, plagiarism etc
etc. already.

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-- 
Best regards,
 Pit                            mailto:pit@klubradio.de

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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: josh zeidner <jjzeidner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: <nettime> Adam Curry: Formats - We need them like we need a hole in the head

Hi Pit,

  I completely agree that distribution media like 12"
vinyl is still more robust and dynamic than something
like napster.  However, i think in all cases Napster
will breed a particular type of music, as will vinyl,
CDs, MTV etc( the media is the message ).  And I think
that the nature of napster will necessarily breed a
kind of music that is actually MORE commercial than
its radio, tv, or vinyl counterparts.  Why?  becuase
the methods of compensation are not supported at the
distributional level, the artist is forced to
incorporate a message or commercial about himself in
the actual recording.  Rap artists are the forerunners
of this type of music, as the early DJs and MCs were
faced with a similar problem as is encountered on
Napster.  Have you ever heard a rap song where the
artist repeatedly cites his own name, or that of his
group or record label?  welcome to the age of napster.

 thanks for the reply,
 
 josh

> Hello josh,
> 
> Wednesday, July 18, 2001, 7:29:57 PM, you wrote:
> 
> i'm not a friend of the order of genres either. but
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