| Desde América, con amor on Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:03:17 +0200 (CEST) |
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| Re: <nettime> Naive Things |
Maybe we are naive when we keep avoiding a main question: most of our radical/independent/alternative projects are not sustainable. They are cool, they are clever, they are useful, they are radical... but they are not sustainable. Therefore sooner or later we must bury them (if they don't bury us before), which is not helpful at all for creating and consolidating appropriate conditions for our sustainable project farming... ... Or we find an intravenous input of money/time afforded by a public or private institution that needs to fund projects like ours for many various purposes. Most of these purposes are not helpful at all for creating and consolidating appropriate conditions for our sustainable project farming. Thus, we keep trapped in this double hole of massochist independence or welfare remorse. We almost never talk about these holes because we are so busy pushing the pragmatic short-term present of our projects and discussing the theoretical long-term future... of everything but our projects. And when we speak about the issues around sustainability in our projects we generally end up pointing with our fingers others' massochism or remorse. Question: is anyone discussing specifically this subject trying to achieve sustainable models for independent projects? Yes? Then please send URL. No? Then... would anyone want to start a long term discussion or workshop focused on the sustainability of independent projects? If your answer is 'Yes, I would but I don't have the time' then you *really* need this discussion getting started and achieving results. Quim Gil > When do radical > processes become part of production and therefore > stop to be radical? The > definition of ethic space in radical action is the > most difficult value to > establish. But working "inside" the system and > produce alternative values > is something we are watching costantly. The problem > is: "Are we so Naive?" > > Lorenzo Taiuti __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [email protected] and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]