<nettime> Bush Officials Met With Venezuelans Who Ousted Leader

["Francisco Millarch" <millarch@millarch.org>]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/international/americas/16DIPL.html?todaysh
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WASHINGTON, April 15 Senior members of the Bush administration met several
times in recent months with leaders of a coalition that ousted the
Venezuelan president, Hugo Ch�vez, for two days last weekend, and agreed
with them that he should be removed from office, administration officials
said today.

But administration officials gave conflicting accounts of what the United
States told those opponents of Mr. Ch�vez about acceptable ways of ousting
him.

One senior official involved in the discussions insisted that the
Venezuelans use constitutional means, like a referendum, to effect an
overthrow.

"They came here to complain," the official said, referring to the
anti-Ch�vez group. "Our message was very clear: there are constitutional
processes. We did not even wink at anyone."

But a Defense Department official who is involved in the development of
policy toward Venezuela said the administration's message was less
categorical.

"We were not discouraging people," the official said. "We were sending
informal, subtle signals that we don't like this guy. We didn't say, `No,
don't you dare,' and we weren't advocates saying, `Here's some arms; we'll
help you overthrow this guy.' We were not doing that."

The disclosures come as rights advocates, Latin American diplomats and
others accuse the administration of having turned a blind eye to coup
plotting activities, or even encouraged the people who temporarily removed
Mr. Ch�vez. Such actions would place the United States at odds with its
fellow members of the Organization of American States, whose charter
condemns the overthrow of democratically elected governments.

In the immediate aftermath of the ouster, the White House spokesman, Ari
Fleischer, suggested that the administration was pleased that Mr. Ch�vez
was gone. "The government suppressed what was a peaceful demonstration of
the people," Mr. Fleischer said, which "led very quickly to a combustible
situation in which Ch�vez resigned."

That statement contrasted with a clear stand by other nations in the
hemisphere, which all condemned the removal of a democratically elected
leader.

Mr. Ch�vez has made himself very unpopular with the Bush administration
with his pro-Cuban stance and mouthing of revolutionary slogans � and,
most recently, by threatening the independence of Venezuela's state-owned
oil company, Petr�leos de Venezuela, the third-largest foreign supplier of
American oil.

Whether or not the administration knew about the pending action against
Mr. Ch�vez, critics note that it was slow to condemn the overthrow and
that it still refuses to acknowledge that a coup even took place.

One result, according to the critics, is that in its zeal to rid itself of
Mr. Ch�vez, the administration has damaged its credibility as a chief
defender of democratically elected governments. And even though they deny
having encouraged Mr. Ch�vez's ouster, administration officials did not
hide their dismay at his restora tion.

Asked whether the administration now recognizes Mr. Ch�vez as Venezuela's
legitimate president, one administration official replied, "He was
democratically elected," then added, "Legitimacy is something that is
conferred not just by a majority of the voters, however."

A senior administration official said today that the anti-Ch�vez group had
not asked for American backing and that none had been offered. Still, one
American diplomat said, Mr. Ch�vez was so distressed by his opponents'
lobbying in Washington that he sent officials from his government to plead
his case there.

Mr. Ch�vez returned to power on Sunday, after two days. The Bush
administration swiftly laid the blame for the episode on him, pointing out
that troops loyal to him had fired on unarmed civilians and wounded more
than 100 demonstrators.

Mr. Fleischer, the White House spokesman, stuck to that approach today,
saying Mr. Ch�vez should heed the message of his opponents and reach out
to "all the democratic forces in Venezuela."

"The people of Venezuela have sent a clear message to President Ch�vez
that they want both democracy and reform," he said. "The Ch�vez
administration has an opportunity to respond to this message by correcting
its course and governing in a fully democratic manner."

On Sunday, President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice,
expressed hopes that Mr. Ch�vez would deal with his opponents in a less
"highhanded fashion."

But to some critics, it was the Bush administration that had displayed
arrogance in initially bucking the tide of international condemnation of
the action against Mr. Chavez, who was democratically elected in 1998.

Arturo Valenzuela, the Latin America national security aide in the Clinton
administration, accused the Bush administration of running roughshod over
more than a decade of treaties and agreements for the collective defense
of democracy. Since 1990, the United States has repeatedly invoked those
agreements at the Organization of American States to help restore
democratic rule in such countries as Haiti, Guatemala and Peru.

Mr. Valenzuela, who now heads the Latin American studies department at
Georgetown University here, warned that the nations in the region might
view the administration's tepid support of Venezuelan democracy as a green
light to return to 1960's and 1970's, when power was transferred from coup
to coup.

"I think it's a very negative development for the principle of
constitutional government in Latin America," Mr. Valenzuela said. "I think
it's going to come back and haunt all of us."

Administration officials insist that they are firmly behind efforts at the
Organization of American States to determine what happened in Venezuela
and restore democratic rule. The secretary general of the O.A.S., C�sar
Gaviria, left today for Caracas, the Venezuelan capital, and the
organization is scheduled to meet in Washington on Thursday.

Still, critics say, there were several signs that the administration was
too quick to rally around the businessman Pedro Carmona Estanga as Mr.
Ch�vez's successor.

One Democratic foreign policy aide complained that the administration, in
phone calls to Congress on Friday, reported that Mr. Ch�vez had resigned,
even though officials now concede that they had no evidence of that.

And on Saturday, the administration supported an O.A.S. resolution
condemning "the alteration of constitutional order in Venezuela" only
after learning that Mr. Ch�vez had regained control, Latin American
diplomats said.

One official said political hard-liners in the administration might have
"gone overboard" in proclaiming Mr. Ch�vez's ouster before the dust
settled.

The official said there were competing impulses within the administration,
signaling a disagreement on the extent of trouble posed by Mr. Ch�vez, who
has thumbed his nose at American officials by maintaining ties with Cuba,
Libya and Iraq.



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