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re: <nettime> Does John Cage have a copyright on recorded silence? "pieter" <[email protected]> scotartt <[email protected]> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "pieter" <[email protected]> Subject: re: <nettime> Does John Cage have a copyright on recorded silence? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:39:40 +0200 Interesting case... some of you may remember how back in '77 or thereabouts, the British punk group Crass opened their debut album *The Feeding of the 5000* with their infamous "Reality Asylum" track, a wonderful feminist anti-Christian, basically anti-everything diatribe holding Christ Himself responsible for the deaths of Auschwitz, among many other subtleties. The workers at the record plant refused to press the record (still a wonderful example of workers' control over their own labor circumsatnces if yoiu ask me). The album was finally released with an opening track of several minutes of silence instead, entitled "The Sound of Free Speech". I wonder which of the two came first, Cage or Crass, and who should now sue whom. PB ******** "Disease and deprivation stalk the land like two giant stalking things" -- Black Adder III >To: [email protected] >Subject: <nettime> Does John Cage have a copyright on recorded silence? >From: "nettime's deaf reader" <[email protected]> >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:19:26 -0400 >Reply-to: "nettime's deaf reader" <[email protected]> <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:33:15 +1000 From: scotartt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <nettime> Does John Cage have a copyright on recorded silence? Hi Kai Strictly speaking though, if a work has previously been released as a recording, then the composer can't control who else can record and release the composition. If you wanted to perform or record a Beatles cover, or a John Cage composition, they can't stop you. The only thing they might have is a moral right to alteration of the composition. But if you took the Lennon/McCartney composition "Yesterday", and made a sped-up death metal version of it that lasted 55s, left out the second verse and added a middle eight with a newly written rap on it, I doubt that whoever it is that owns either the rights to the song could actually stop you from doing so. On the other hand, by some quirk of law, in my jurisdiction at least, f you had sheet music to an undiscovered (ie unrecorded) Lennon/Mccartney song and tried to do the same thing, the composers have some right of refusal. But, after they let someone record and release the song, you can make a cover version of it without any prior approval. Seems to me people often confuse compositional rights with the rights on the master tape (i.e. a specific performance of a composition). You can't use a sample of the Beatles, but you can re-record their songs without asking. I don't see that cage's estate has any possible case, unless by some moral rights law that might dictate how the artist could record or alter the composition (i.e. it's not 4'33" long). But if that's the case, how do we end up with reggae versions of Burt Bacharach / Hal David songs, in a different key to suit the singer's range? You just go right ahead and do it, crediting it on the record and the rights are distributed to the correct composers by the various worldwide rights societies. Are subsidiary works protected by having to have prior approval of the original composer? I didn't think so ... it's how weird al yankovich works (take a popular song, change lyrics to something humourous, release it, and hey presto the writing credits include both the original writers and yourself). regs scot. On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 04:27:59PM +1000, Kai Howells wrote: > > Big noises at odds over the sound of silence <...> -- F [[ From: [email protected] ]] | +--[[ NERVE AGENT AUDIO SYSTEMS ]]--+--(CH3)2CH-O-P=O--+ [[ http://mp3.com/nerveagent ]] | CH3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [email protected] and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]