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Re: Should Open SOurce Developers help the US prepare for War..???!
     adam <adam@xs4all.nl>
     ". __ ." <mail_box@gmx.net>
     Martin Hardie <auskadi@cwpanama.net>

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:47:17 +0100 (CET)
From: adam <adam@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Should Open SOurce Developers help the US prepare for War..???!

this is a really interesting idea, its seems to me somehow similar to
the 'no hate language' clause that many apply informally to limiting
freedom of speech...


a 'not for military use' clause as part of the GPL?

hmmm...a double edged sword....

adam


On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, . __ . wrote:

> The idea is somehow absurd... but in the end it is open source, which
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:11:19 +0100
From: ". __ ." <mail_box@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Should Open SOurce Developers help the US prepare for War..???!

I agree... I think this is not only true for real "Hate words" but for a 
lot of politically correct terms... like ethnical cleansing or collateral 
damage...

I really love these sentences like "Privacy has been a collateral victim of 
our war against terrorism"


;-)

And "Ethnical Cleansing" - it seems, like the oppressors would throw roses 
at the victims to convince them to go away...

Open Source Software has a special status for me, because the Net has 
become the basic tool to get information from the outside and this, for me 
is a necessity to be able to judge a situation... if you only hatch CNN or 
the Iraqi Counterpart, for example the information is bound to be one-sided 
- especially since "Information warfare" has become more and more popular.

It is Open Source Software together with free or even add-supported 
software which allows access to the Net.... and therfore has become really 
importat to the shaping of opinion in modern democracy... an attempt to 
control is also an attempt to further limit alternative options for the 
voters, who have in the end to decide...

Cheers,

g


At 11:47 27.02.03 +0100, adam wrote:

>this is a really interesting idea, its seems to me somehow similar to
>the 'no hate language' clause that many apply informally to limiting
>freedom of speech...
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:08:07 -0500
From: Martin Hardie <auskadi@cwpanama.net>
Subject: Re: Should Open SOurce Developers help the US prepare for War..???!

This is very timely.
I have been working on a paper for a conference, Born of Desertion at 
the Uni of Florida in which I want to tackle the question of law, empire 
and its future shape, using the way in which Aboriginal artists have 
used copyright law and equity to "mainatin a communal project".
I am coming to the conclusion that the lessons of Aboriginal Art in 
Australia are applicaable to the Open Source movement. That is the same 
equitable mechanisms that the Australian courts used to maintaain the 
integrity of a communal aborignal knowledge project could be applied to 
ensure the use of Open Soure projects are used ina coordance with the 
project, their custom whatever.

Therefore a couple of things come to mind:
1. I need to develop this theme a bit more. Do the relevant projects 
have GNU type licence agreements?
2. We need to try and state what the movement, or the particular project 
- what is the ontology of the software if I can say that
3. Then we need to think about pushing the resistancee to its use using 
their weapons, the ourts and ours the net, protest, hacker resistance 
whatever.
Any one want to talk about that?

. __ . wrote:

> The idea is somehow absurd... but in the end it is open source, which
> means that anybody should be allowed to use it... this is an important
> regulative process for "official" power and helps keep the balance... even
> if I can understand the problems with cryptographic software, like with
> PGP, as pointed out in the article...
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