<nettime> -ann: a too-modest proposal? [freudenheim, navas, geer, being, ___ x2]

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     [since the From: for the proposal was <nettime@bbs.thing.net> 
      rather than <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>, it wasn't clear whether 
      responses were intended to be private or public. we asked, and
      a few people requested anonymity and one said 'private!' one 
      person volunteered to moderate an -ann list, but we forgot to
      ask if that response should be private or public, so we left
      it out. -- mod (tb)]


Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann
     "Sascha D. Freudenheim" <sascha@sascha.com>
     "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
     [someone]
     Benjamin Geer <ben@socialtools.net>
     [someone else]
     human being <human@electronetwork.org>

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:11:49 -0400
From: "Sascha D. Freudenheim" <sascha@sascha.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann

As someone who scans - at best - 1 in 25 of these announcement messages, 
I'm all for taking them out, and focusing any announcements in nettime-l 
on those that come very directly from people, and not other systems.

And if it makes life easier for our trusty and faithful moderators, then 
so much the better.

Sascha

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From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:17:38 -0600

<--snip-->
>
> Here's our proposal according to our current thinking:
>
> (1) We'll continue to distribute only those announcements on nettime-l
> which show evidence of actually, personally having been sent by someone
> specifically to nettime.
>
> (2) We'll set up another list, nettime-ann, to which we'll bounce all
> announcements that do not directly, intimately relate to nettime --
> as measured, mainly, by the fact that some nettimer took the time to
> send them specifically to nettime-l.
<--snip-->

I think No.1 should be omitted all together.  This is what is going to
happen anyways in the future when the amount of subscribers increases, once
again. Letting some announcements post on nettime-l will only stall the
productivity of rhetorical postings. Focus should go into making an
efficient announcement list. That is separate of nettime-l.  Also, right now
announcements on nettime are a bit useless as some of the events have passed
by the time they make it to the digests.  I do not bother reading them at
times due to this frustration.  I hope nettime-ann will be more up-to-date.

Eduardo Navas

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:21:26 
Subject: Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann
From: [someone]

Hello moderators,

Thanks for a thoughtful email on the problem.

There's something like a dozen branches of the Nettime tree at this point,
right?  I wonder if Nettime might be at a point where some sort of
individual customization/filtering might be in order?  I'd love a setup
where I could do something like
\> updatesub nettime-l +digest +english +[whatever] -[whatever] -announcements
+us_announcements +[some]_announcements -word:[whatever]
Or in a perfect world, make the subscription available via RSS so that I can
use a newsreader to read it (and store it) instead of email.

It's a bit of a shift, I think...it would make moderation more of a metadata
creation task, and shift some of the filtering responsibilities to the
subscribers.  

Just a thought...

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From: Benjamin Geer <ben@socialtools.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:57:10 +0100

On Tuesday 12 August 2003 14:01, nettime's_mod_squad wrote:

> (1) We'll continue to distribute only those announcements on nettime-l
> which show evidence of actually, personally having been sent by someone
> specifically to nettime.
> 
> (2) We'll set up another list, nettime-ann, to which we'll bounce all
> announcements that do not directly, intimately relate to nettime --
> as measured, mainly, by the fact that some nettimer took the time to
> send them specifically to nettime-l.

If I were you, I'd be more draconian: all announcements from non-subscribers, 
and all announcements that aren't direclty relevant to nettime, get sent to 
/dev/null.

I'd be surprised if many people would subscribe to nettime-ann; I think you're 
being too generous.

Ben

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From: [someone else]
Subject: to eds
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:12:23 

I like the idea of nettime-ann, because one of the effects of fwding general
announcements is the temptation to adopt their idiom/style in other
submissions (I am quite guilty of that myself), so I think this could be a
way to make submissions more 'personal' (weird in this context, but still)
and encourage those submitting to work out the nettime angle (which is
always interesting even if the relevance is, as they say, 'obvious'). Maybe,
it's worth a try.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:44:31 -0500
Subject: Re: <nettime> a proposal: nettime-ann
From: human being <human@electronetwork.org>

  wondered this before... and- has it been
  considered for 'publications' also, which
  may include URLs... else, what is the
  defining difference between an announcement
  (i always supposed this was event-related,
  and time-based) versus 'publications' (which
  i am assuming is more static and url-related),
  then nettime-l is for discussion of ideas. not
  that this is how it is, just wondering how it is.

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