Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality? [4x]

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    Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?
      Bill Spornitz <spornitz@mts.net>

    Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?
      ed phillips <ed@cronos.net>

    Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?
      andy@remotelinux.com

    Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?
      Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@yahoo.com>



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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:54:12 -0500
From: Bill Spornitz <spornitz@mts.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?

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R Packer asked:

>The real issue in this election though, is America going
>to wake up to the dream (or nightmare) it finds itself
>in? Can we lift the veil on the disinformation pouring
>out of the White House. Can we take command of our own
>reality?

>Or has America's reality been permanently hijacked by the
>Republicans and their media propaganda machine?

I answered:

Permanently Hijacked. Sorry to be the one to break it to you..


b

ps - but it's not the *Republican's media propaganda machine* that did the hijacking... your propaganda machine is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch bigger than that


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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:08:39 -0700
From: ed phillips <ed@cronos.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?

Randall, was this a troll? I guess I jumped at the bait.

I would agree that a face of firm conviction is the strategy of 
Bush-Cheney and that Cheney's ability to tell a lie with complete 
conviction is impressive. It may even get them elected, what with a 
confused and bewildered electorate. It is a strategy, one that Kerry plays 
catch up to and in the attempt comes off as resolute-lite, only making 
Bush-Cheney seem like the real thing. Resolute to Kerry's resolute-lite.

But, I would counter that should the Democrats get elected, there is a 
high probability that the commitment in Iraq will be escalated, in dollars 
and number of troops. The current desk jobbers at the pentagon, both 
appointed and lifer, know that this quagmire will keep them busy 
regardless of who gets elected. They don't call them quagmires for 
nothing.

This administration has acted, they have "done something," which in a way 
has only brought into greater relief the impotence that a hyperpower 
experiences even as it dominates the globe as never before.  Bush-Cheney 
assert that the Dems would have not done anything about Saddam, about the 
erosion of the sanctions into bribes, black market deals, etc. The window 
in which the lie of WMD could be used to "do something" about Iraq would 
have passed long before the Democrats acted. The pathos of Bush-Cheney if 
you would grant them that is that their "strong action" has led to greater 
impotence than sit and wait. (Abu Ghraib as display of impotent rage?).

This power-impotence is in evidence across so many aspects of global 
capital. Even as advertising pervades life more and more, the advertising 
industry is in crisis, with firm after firm collapsing. Even as the large 
software companies dominate their markets, they experience crisis and are 
constantly on the edge of collapse....

The quagmire in Iraq and the intellectual crisis and deadlock we are in is 
here to stay regardless of which regime takes over the foreign policy 
apparatus of the U.S.

All that said. I hope we throw the bum out and welcome in a new bum-lite.


On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:29:16AM -0400, Randall Packer wrote:
> The Republicans are heightening the attack, ramping up their spin
> strategies to reinforce disinformation in order to fool the country into
> re-election.

<...>

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: andy@remotelinux.com
Subject: Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?

aww come on, us americans dont take reality for granted, take football for
example...

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Randall Packer wrote:

> The Republicans are heightening the attack, ramping up their spin
> strategies to reinforce disinformation in order to fool the country into
> re-election.
>
<...>



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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:07:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Do You Still Own Your Reality?

> The real issue in this election though, is America going to wake up to the
> dream (or nightmare) it finds itself in? Can we lift the veil on the
> disinformation pouring out of the White House. Can we take command of our
> own reality?
>
> Or has America's reality been permanently hijacked by the Republicans and
> their media propaganda machine?

There is a point where discrepancy between teeveeality and reality causes a
burst, public awakening and prompt crumbling and downfall of conmen in charge.

That point has not being reached in US of A yet, and it's unlikely to happen in
the next few months. The lowering of domestic standard of living is too slow
for frogs to notice, and the bottom is still far below. In short, until hunger
or death by iraq start affecting a nontrivial portion of voters the status quo
seems safe.

Just don't get depressed now, it could be worse.



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