Florian Cramer on Mon, 21 Apr 2014 03:24:15 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> Will your insurance company subsidize your quantified self? |
Hello Alexander, As for the meaning of the concept "netocracy" we could of course also speak > of a "digerati" (to me though that term sounds like banal marketing speech) > but why not of the "net aristocracy" Tyler Cowen portrays in his 2013 > dystopian bestseller "Average Is Over"? Then we're stuck with a linguistic problem from the very beginning since the suffix "-cracy" doesn't necessarily relate to aristocracy, but generally signifies rule or power; like in the words "democracy" (rule of the people) and "meritocracy" (rule of those who gained merit). "Netocracy" can either mean "rule of the net" or "rule over the (Inter)net". Seems that I misread your initial statement as one about who has the rule over the Internet . Apologies for the misunderstanding. The 'netocracy' seems to be a rather speculative notion of class. I don't want to sound dismissive in any way, but it's hard to discuss such concepts if they're based on simplifications and generalization. (Thinking of classes as binary categories is the kind of generalization that also taints Marxism - at least before the advent of post-marxism.) His "net aristocracy" is the > forthcoming 15% superclass of the United States ruling over the 85% > underclass of consumtarians following the full onslaught of digital > technologies and production processes over the next two decades. See above. These are scenarios based on techno prophecies, rather the kind of stuff 'futurists' like Ray Kurzweil write, only that this is obviously written from a more critical point of view. It's hard to discuss the validity of these kinds of scenarios in general. As speculative claims, they're difficult to reasonably deal with on a list that focuses on the present realities of Internet culture. > The "net > aristocracy" is driven both by attentionalist information flows and > capitalist money flows and is perhaps the interim hybrid we should look out > for first. If you look at how stock markets work - from high frequency trading to the economy of venture capital investment before IPOs, then it's often the opposite of attentionalism that creates economic power: insider knowledge and privileged access to markets. The same is true, for example, for natural resource markets (oil, gas, metals, food). I'm not claiming that the exact opposite of what you say is true, but that reality is more complicated. > Cowen finds its roots not only in Silicon Valley but also at > locations like Williamsburg, places which lack the financial muscle of > Silicon Valley but are already rich in attentionalist power. With Williamsburg thrown in, this makes no sense to me except as an extreme riff on the late 1990s/early 2000s meme of the "attention economy", and an unbroken belief in material economies being superseded by information economy. > My point, again, is to try to see the picture in a slightly more complex > manner, than classic Marxist analysis would take us, as to actually hit it > right. Power is more than money these days, Neither me, nor anybody else here that I'm aware of has claimed that power is money. You seem to imply that power, these days, is post-materialist and discursive; so that old elites are being replaced by new elites consisting of digitally networked opinion leaders. In that scenario, someone like Ray Kurzweil (to stick to the above example) would be more powerful than the extreme opposite of an anti-attention seeker such as, let's say, an ex-Soviet oligarch, a member of the Saud family or the U.S. Secretary of Defense. I would follow you to the point that Kurzweil is influential, and ultimately powerful, as the guiding spirit of Google's 'Singularity University', with the handwriting of his ideas being visible in Google Glass and the company's recent acquisitions of robot and drone technology. It's a similar kind of power that Rasputin had on the Russian Czarist family, the Church of Scientology over some parts of Hollywood, or - to choose less weird examples - Hegel on the 19th century Prussian state and Leo Strauss on the American neo-cons. These examples also demonstrate limitations of this model (because the influence worked never one way and the opinion leaders were not the ones in executive power), and, as others have remarked here before, some question marks behind the idea that the Internet would create a fundamentally new state of affairs. (I.e. would Hegel have been the most powerful person in the 19th century if he had had Twitter?) Another problem: The economy at large is neither just the Internet nor a pure information economy. Even the Internet itself, with its consumption of hardware and energy isn't. A world inhabited by seven and soon ten billion people will continue (and likely even increase) to focus the largest part of its economy on natural resources and manufacturing. These parts of the economy are and will not simply be driven by the "attentionalist power" of a "netocracy". Aside from that, there is a problem of recursion - namely that the very people who claim that this shift in power is happening are very often those who belong (or picture themselves belonging) to these alleged new elites. In any way, the concept of a "netocracy" as a class of opinion leaders that will be in power in the future does not so much sound like a concept taken from Foucault or Zizek, but straightforwardly from Plato's "Republic". This is what I meant with my previous remark that you seem to advocate an idealist notion of power. especially as money > increasingly flows where the attention already exists rather than the other > way round. If Nettime is part of the "netocracy", as you wrote in the beginning, then we have a living proof to the contrary... Bests, -F # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]