<nettime> paying readers to digest their data [x2: hopkins, gurstein]

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FW: <nettime> paying users for their data

     John Hopkins <jhopkins@neoscenes.net>
     "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:43:26 -0700
From: John Hopkins <jhopkins@neoscenes.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> paying users for their data

On 24/Jul/14 08:12, olia lialina wrote:

> Dear Felix
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> I'm afraid you are mixing up value of personal data and value of time
> spend filling a service with this data.

Not to mention the cost of life-time/life-energy spent in *consuming* other's FB 
data stream! What tiny social return 'earned' is completely lost in the 
alienating black hole of staring, alone, at a (tiny) screen...

jh

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From: "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com>
Subject: FW: <nettime> paying users for their data
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:35:25 -0700

Fascinating and revealing set of calculations... 

My suspicion is that there would be similar results in per user/usage costs
for a variety of natural monopoly public services (water, electricity,
sewage, public health etc.) once the cost of infrastructure was removed.

This suggests to me of course, that Facebook (interpersonal information
sharing) and other such global Internet based service monopolies (Google
(search), Amazon (retail purchasing?)) should probably be approached from a
public utility perspective (including the need for public ownership...

M

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     [mailto:nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org] On Behalf Of Felix Stalder
     Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:29 AM
     To: nettime-l@mx.kein.org
     Subject: <nettime> paying users for their data

     Occasionally there is the idea that the big internet companies, which
     collect and monetize user data, should pay their users directly, as
     they are, after all, the original producers of all that data. Jaron
     Lanier has made this argument, among others.
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