Heiko Recktenwald on Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:18:10 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what? |
Am 20/11/14 12:42, schrieb Alex Foti: << Europe is not a good sell. Not in Western Europe, not in Eastern Europe, and most particularly on the left, where accusations of eurocentrism and denunciations of the arbitrary political notion of "Europe" (where does it end? when did it start?) abound. The position, best argued by Streeck, that only by returning to the nation-state what's left of the left can hope to shelter citizens from the inequalities of global financial capitalism, seems to me nostalgic of the fordist age of (patriarchal and paternalist) social democracy. >> The nation is the place where we give us our own law. That is not applicable in other countries. On the other hand Europe is fine. It is pretty true that it makes very good law for consumers. It is a good idea to have some sort of rules all over the place. That all consumers can count on. And what is the EU? A group of nation states with some common rules. Not all are easy, so what? And I would say that the EU is even not so bad in the Ukraine crisis if you forget the language and concentrate on what it is really asking for. We should all come down. Best, H. # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected]