Re: <nettime> apropos of nothing

[Alessandra Renzi <renzi73@gmx.de>]

I have always seen Nettime as a platform for productive conversations of different kinds and have welcomed even the unpleasant moments of friction and egotism that have been part of Nettime debates over the years. The stakes were different.

A couple of days ago, the University of Toronto’ Munk centre sponsored a debate between David Frum and Steve Bannon. Despite massive protests, the debate was rationalised with all sorts of claims about wanting to expose flawed ideas and other similar nonsense (Canada can easily forget to examine its own government-sponsored violence when shining the light on its bad bad neighbour). Meanwhile Bannon got yet another chance to normalize hate and legitimize his position as a thinker and orator at home and abroad. 

I have seen the moderators of this list step in other times before to filter unwanted content. I understand that shutting down conversations may be a bit of a conundrum for some but there is such a thing as anti-fa moderation, and it is necessary.

Please keep Nettime fascist-free,

Ale  

On Nov 3, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Angela Mitropoulos <angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com> wrote:

It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like answered. It makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence you've furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space can keep ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are less than human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I asked this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in debating this further. 

I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably in the negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a better world has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or Gab for that matter. 

Angela

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 10:29, Willem van Weelden <w.v.weelden@chello.nl> wrote:

dear angela,
relax dear.
it is ok.
noone is recruiting anyone here.
chill.
best,
w


> On 03 Nov 2018, at 23:04, Angela Mitropoulos <angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com> wrote:
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