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From: kanonmedia <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:16:53 +0100
To: nettime's mods <[email protected]>
Keep it as an online archive / publication!
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----- Forwarded message from Max Herman <[email protected]> -----
From: Max Herman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:46:52 +0000
To: nettime's mods <[email protected]>, nettime-l <[email protected]>
Hi all,
I did notice the silent period and was a bit saddened by it. Do we
know if anyone tried to post during that time?
Perhaps the Hippocratic ethos is relevant here. Lately I've been
interested in concepts of network medicine as they might inform the
ethics of network civilization. Age and eventual demise or archival
are medical concepts in a sense, relating to "end of life" whether for
technology, biology, or information. Many intangibles are involved,
like the wishes of the family, legacy for future generations, the
historical record, and so on. If a reasonable quality of life is not
sustainable for nettime, what is the most balanced approach for
archival?
Speaking for myself, despite having posted a lot of inane and
embarrassing content to nettime, I would wish to have it preserved in
some archival form (perhaps like a discontinued periodical is preserved
in a library for research purposes). Erasure of what was and may
continue to be important (the baby) seems more negative than the
embarrassment of being remembered (the bathwater). I like the gritty
reality of nettime. Perhaps it is enough to be remembered and
forgiven, rather than erased and forgotten? Each writer to nettime may
feel differently.
It seems to me that an artistic or historical institution such as a
library or university might be a good way to host the archive
long-term, as is done with periodicals. Making a giant torrent
available as with Geocities could be an option, but it would be nice to
keep something of nettime's structure and simplicity of html. Could a
precise copy of what now appears at nettime.org be certified by
blockchain, and made available to various institutions or individuals
if they wish to archive a copy? Same copyright rules etc.
Not unlike some good, old magazines in binders on a shelf, available in
more than one library.
Best wishes to all,
Max
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----- Forwarded message from Geert Dekkers <[email protected]> -----
From: Geert Dekkers <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:52:52 +0000
To: nettime-l <[email protected]>, "nettime's mods" <[email protected]>
Actionable, as in "we need a hosting solution"? We might be able to
help with that.
Best regards
Geert Dekkers
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----- Forwarded message from [email protected] -----
From: Morlock Elloi <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime: down & up and the need for long-term archiving
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 01:49:18 -0700
To: [email protected]
Great question, reveals all the hollowness of the 'Internet'. While
there is a way to archive almost anything printed, there is no way to
permanently archive anything on the Internet. It is ephemeral by nature,
the storage being managed by entities that come and go, change policies,
guaranteeing that nothing is permanent. Whoever offers archiving today
will most likely not exist 10 years from now.
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That being said, it may be possible to inject nettime-l into
archive.org, which may be around a bit longer than the others:
- go to the last snapshot (2018):
https://web.archive.org/web/20180624103024/https://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/
- create a script that will crawl through all the links (as Archive.org
archived only the top page) and perform 'Save this url in the Wayback
Machine' action and then "save page". We are talking number of 'clicks'
equal to the number of messages. As archiving takes about 10 sec, it may
take few months.
I have manually archived one to test - see
https://web.archive.org/web/20200311083938/https://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1805/msg00022.html
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Alternatively, try bribing someone in the Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/programs/web-archiving/about-this-program/
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