| Vincent Gaulin on Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:55:33 +0200 (CEST) |
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H Vincenti, assuming you're a 'francophone', here what I send to Brian, which might also interest you. (if no French >>>> https://www.deepl.com/translator ;-)
Re: yr post, worth mentionning too that there are two types of inflation - the price inflation reflected in the consumer index; and assets inflation, directly caused by the financial 'parasite'. Price inflation is what the general public is aware of, and which may set (or not) most incomes, assets inflation the general public suddenly discovers in the ever rising price of housing, which is becoming unaffordable for the many ... Politicians studiously avoid talking about the later when discussing 'inflation', that is, the former.
Ciao Ciao, p+7D!
---------- Original Message ----------From: patrice riemens <[email protected]>Date: 07/03/2021 10:38 AMSubject: Re: <nettime> Nouriel Roubini: Conditions are ripe for repeat of 1970s stagflation and 2008 debt crisis (Guardian)
BonDi Brian,
Tout a fait d'accord avec toi, et ton approche concentree sur (focussed on) la catastrophe climatique et le desastre eco-industrielo-energetique. Le clusterfuck exige toute une serie de solutions interconnectees et interdependantes - et maleheureusement les predictions penchent plutot vers, comme tu dis, 'notre dinde est cuite'.
Ayant une empreinte ecologique au dessous de la moyenne (bien qu'encore probablement trop forte), sans voiture, petite maison, recyclant et recuperant a toute pompe, je suis surtout interesse ('focusse') sur l'aspect monetaire de la multicrise. La aussi il faudra une refonte totale, la monnaie dans ton portefeuille, sur ton compte courrant, ayant ette totalement parasitee par la finance - imagine un parasite 10x, voire 100x plus granbd que son hote ... et la premiere chose a faire serait de tuer ce monstre ... well, good luck!
Apres il faudrait amha 'recadrer' la monnaie vers le bas, limiter son usage autant que possible (vive la cooperation et l'echange), retourner son emission a un organe democratique, et ralantir considerablement son mouvement (lequel devrait etre taxe, selon une theorie qui a fait tres brievement flores a Multitudes - te souviens-tu?).
Ca se fera, mais apres notre 'nakba' ...
Abbracci, p+7D!
On 07/02/2021 7:50 PM Brian Holmes <[email protected]> wrote:
Saluts Brian,
If the new "global gamble" of low interest rates and debt-financed public spending does not open up an alternative development pathway including mass employment through decarbonization, then our goose is cooked. The stagflation that Nouriel Roubini predicts will lead to fascism and civil/ international war under the pressure of climate change. The struggle is on already. The US is explicitly and consciously polarized between those who want to cling to industrial domination at any cost, and those who want to collectively face the consequences of the twentieth century and the long colonial history that underlies it. Governments, populations and individuals who think the bill has not come due are either deluded, or just spoiling for the coming fight. Wherever you live, it's time to push the button on energy shift and just transition. Don't kid yourself about the future. We're not going to "get over" the crisis that opened up in 2008, because the changes in the biogeochemical cycles of the earth, coupled with the decline of Western empire, have already destroyed the regularity of the political-economic curves. There's a democratic pathway toward just transition, which demands a break with the industrial power structure and a willingness to spend time and resources - including your own time and resources, right now - on equity and justice. Or there's a militarized pathway toward sealed borders, sweltering fascism and war amid the ruins. Far as I can see, the fork in the road lies at the place where we are all currently standing.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 10:39 AM patrice riemens <[email protected]> wrote:
Original to:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/02/1970s-stagflation-2008-debt-crisis-global-economy
Conditions are ripe for repeat of 1970s stagflation and 2008 debt crisis
Warning signs are there for global economy, and central banks will be left in impossible position
In April, I warned that today’s extremely loose monetary and fiscal policies, when combined with a number of negative supply shocks, could result in 1970s-style stagflation (high inflation alongside a recession). In fact, the risk today is even bigger than it was then.
After all, debt ratios in advanced economies and most emerging markets were much lower in the 1970s, which is why stagflation has not been associated with debt crises historically. If anything, unexpected inflation in the 1970s wiped out the real value of nominal debts at fixed rates, thus reducing many advanced economies’ public-debt burdens.
Conversely, during the 2007-08 financial crisis, high debt ratios (private and public) caused a severe debt crisis – as housing bubbles burst – but the ensuing recession led to low inflation, if not outright deflation. Owing to the credit crunch, there was a macro shock to aggregate demand, whereas the risks today are on the supply side.
We are thus left with the worst of both the stagflationary 1970s and the 2007-10 period. Debt ratios are much higher than in the 1970s, and a mix of loose economic policies and negative supply shocks threatens to fuel inflation rather than deflation, setting the stage for the mother of stagflationary debt crises over the next few years.
The same loose policies that are feeding asset bubbles will continue to drive consumer price inflation
For now, loose monetary and fiscal policies will continue to fuel asset and credit bubbles, propelling a slow-motion train wreck. The warning signs are already apparent in today’s high price-to-earnings ratios, low equity risk premia, inflated housing and tech assets, and the irrational exuberance surrounding special purpose acquisition companies, the crypto sector, high-yield corporate debt, collateralised loan obligations, private equity, meme stocks, and runaway retail day trading. At some point, this boom will culminate in a Minsky moment (a sudden loss of confidence), and tighter monetary policies will trigger a bust and crash.
But in the meantime, the same loose policies that are feeding asset bubbles will continue to drive consumer price inflation, creating the conditions for stagflation whenever the next negative supply shocks arrive. Such shocks could follow from renewed protectionism; demographic ageing in advanced and emerging economies; immigration restrictions in advanced economies; the reshoring of manufacturing to high-cost regions; or the Balkanisation of global supply chains.
More broadly, the Sino-American decoupling threatens to fragment the global economy at a time when climate change and the Covid-19 pandemic are pushing national governments toward deeper self-reliance. Add to this the impact on production of increasingly frequent cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure, and the social and political backlash against inequality, and the recipe for macroeconomic disruption is complete.
Making matters worse, central banks have effectively lost their independence because they have been given little choice but to monetise massive fiscal deficits to forestall a debt crisis. With both public and private debts having soared, they are in a debt trap. As inflation rises over the next few years, central banks will face a dilemma. If they start phasing out unconventional policies and raising policy rates to fight inflation, they will risk triggering a massive debt crisis and severe recession; but if they maintain a loose monetary policy, they will risk double-digit inflation – and deep stagflation when the next negative supply shocks emerge.
But even in the second scenario, policymakers would not be able to prevent a debt crisis. While nominal government fixed-rate debt in advanced economies can be partly wiped out by unexpected inflation (as happened in the 1970s), emerging-market debts denominated in foreign currency would not be. Many of these governments would need to default and restructure their debts.
At the same time, private debts in advanced economies would become unsustainable (as they did after the global financial crisis), and their spreads relative to safer government bonds would spike, triggering a chain reaction of defaults. Highly leveraged corporations and their reckless shadow-bank creditors would be the first to fall, soon followed by indebted households and the banks that financed them.
To be sure, real long-term borrowing costs may initially fall if inflation rises unexpectedly and central banks are still behind the curve. But, over time, these costs will be pushed up by three factors. First, higher public and private debts will widen sovereign and private interest-rate spreads. Second, rising inflation and deepening uncertainty will drive up inflation risk premia. And, third, a rising misery index – the sum of the inflation and unemployment rate – eventually will demand a “Volcker moment.”
When former Fed chair Paul Volcker increased rates to tackle inflation in 1980-82, the result was a severe double-dip recession in the US and a debt crisis and lost decade for Latin America. But now that global debt ratios are almost three times higher than in the early 1970s, any anti-inflationary policy would lead to a depression rather than a severe recession.
Under these conditions, central banks will be damned if they do and damned if they don’t, and many governments will be semi-insolvent and thus unable to bail out banks, corporations and households. The doom loop of sovereigns and banks in the eurozone after the global financial crisis will be repeated worldwide, sucking in households, corporations and shadow banks as well.
As matters stand, this slow-motion train wreck looks unavoidable. The Fed’s recent pivot from an ultra-dovish to a mostly dovish stance changes nothing. The Fed has been in a debt trap at least since December 2018, when a stock- and credit-market crash forced it to reverse its policy tightening a full year before Covid-19 struck. With inflation rising and stagflationary shocks looming, it is now even more ensnared.
So, too, are the European Central Bank, the Bank of Japan and the Bank of England. The stagflation of the 1970s will soon meet the debt crises of the post-2008 period. The question is not if but when.
(Nouriel Roubini was professor of economics at New York University’s Stern School of Business. He has worked for the IMF, the US Federal Reserve and the World Bank.
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