Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing,

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
      left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques (hans christian voigt)
   2. Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
      left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques (Ana Teixeira Pinto)
   3. Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
      left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques (Ana Teixeira Pinto)
   4. Re: CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
      left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques (Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid))

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:10:26 +0200
From: hans christian voigt <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
        left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
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I?d say the verdict "an excellent example of [..] 'left? thinking that has completely fallen for the government and big-pharma propaganda" was the end of any critical discussion.

That and further indication that Florians doubts don?t seem far fetched.

chr.

>
>
> From: Florian Cramer <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2022 13:00
> To: Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
>
>
> - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination
> [...]
> - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via covid-19 memes)
> [...]
> - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to bodily autonomy
> [...]
> - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming and lateral citizen surveillance
> [...]
> - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg. via vaccinations)
>
> All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point, however, on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK, Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the fittest.
>
> You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as keynote speakers.
>
> -F
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:00:52 +0100
From: Ana Teixeira Pinto <[email protected]>
To: "Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid)" <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
        left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
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I would not call Florian's response a knee-jerk reaction, and also find it
difficult to sketch out an anti-racist position without addressing vaccine
equity, or the adjacency of anti-vaccine rhetoric to narratives of reverse
colonialism entailing the subjugation of white people; not to mention their
rabid antisemitism. I would not foreclose a left-wing critique of
government policy but would agree with Florian that its dangerous to couch
far-right sentiment in left wing discourse.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 1:06 PM Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Your knee-jerk response is an excellent example of elitist and
> false-oppositional ?left? thinking that has completely fallen for the
> government and big-pharma propaganda, and forgets to think critically about
> power structures, knowing very well that right-wing and left-wing, while
> also entertaining huge differences, are not pure opposites. Baudet would be
> proud of you; he can rake in the spoils.
>
> Cheers, Ingrid.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Florian Cramer <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 January 2022 13:00
> *To:* Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid) <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
> left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
>
>
>
>
> - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination
>
> [...]
>
> - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine
> propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via
> covid-19 memes)
>
> [...]
>
> - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to bodily
> autonomy
>
> [...]
>
> - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming and
> lateral citizen surveillance
>
> [...]
>
> - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg. via
> vaccinations)
>
>
>
> All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right
> positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point, however,
> on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by
> anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK,
> Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the
> fittest.
>
>
>
> You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as keynote
> speakers.
>
>
>
> -F
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 18:30:44 +0100
From: Ana Teixeira Pinto <[email protected]>
To: Ted Byfield <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
        left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
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What is "pro-vax imperialism"? To what concrete, real, policy does this
term apply? It seems to suggest that vaccines are being foisted on the
global south when the actual problem is hoarding...

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ted Byfield <[email protected]> wrote:

> This kind of 'concern trolling'?esque appropriation of leftish discourse
> in the service of rightish agendas is becoming pervasive in the US at least
> ? and elsewhere, I'm sure, albeit with less detail.
>
> As with most of these discursive tendencies it's first and foremost
> impersonal, which can make it hard to counter without opening oneself up to
> charges of relying on ad hominem. I think that helps to account for its
> rise as a rhetorical strategy: it 'works' mainly because it lays basis for
> a scripted form of pseudo-argument ? pious platitudes about science,
> openness, debate, democracy, whatever. But, as I think you suggest,
> Florian, it would be a serious mistake to see it as merely rhetorical: it
> has concrete consequences.
>
> It might be useful to think of this turn in terms of rightist
> 'culture-jamming,' 'overidentification,' and related ideas.
>
> Cheers,
> Ted
>
> On 20 Jan 2022, at 7:00, Florian Cramer wrote:
>
> >> - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> >> - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine
> >> propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via
> >> covid-19 memes)
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> >> - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to
> bodily
> >> autonomy
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> >> - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming
> and
> >> lateral citizen surveillance
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> >> - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg.
> via
> >> vaccinations)
> >
> >
> > All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right
> > positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point,
> however,
> > on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by
> > anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK,
> > Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the
> > fittest.
> >
> > You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as
> keynote
> > speakers.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 08:53:02 +0000
From: "Hoofd, I.M. (Ingrid)" <[email protected]>
To: Ana Teixeira Pinto <[email protected]>,
        Ted Byfield <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics:
        left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques
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Hi Ana, absolutely, the problem is one of past and present power imbalances. I am referring to the subordination in the former colonies of indigenous populations through vaccine mandates and ?western modern medicine? more generally. See for instance the interesting work of Anke Scherer, who spoke at the ?Epidemics and Othering? symposium a few months ago: https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/7k8UC5QZOxCZEL2rktxzXWa?domain=epidemicsandothering.blogs.ruhr-uni-bochum.de.

Cheers, Ingrid.

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ana Teixeira Pinto
Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2022 18:31
To: Ted Byfield <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <nettime> CfP: Critical reflections on pandemic politics: left-wing, feminist and anti-racist critiques

What is "pro-vax imperialism"? To what concrete, real, policy does this term apply? It seems to suggest that vaccines are being foisted on the global south when the actual problem is hoarding...

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Ted Byfield <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This kind of 'concern trolling'?esque appropriation of leftish discourse in the service of rightish agendas is becoming pervasive in the US at least ? and elsewhere, I'm sure, albeit with less detail.

As with most of these discursive tendencies it's first and foremost impersonal, which can make it hard to counter without opening oneself up to charges of relying on ad hominem. I think that helps to account for its rise as a rhetorical strategy: it 'works' mainly because it lays basis for a scripted form of pseudo-argument ? pious platitudes about science, openness, debate, democracy, whatever. But, as I think you suggest, Florian, it would be a serious mistake to see it as merely rhetorical: it has concrete consequences.

It might be useful to think of this turn in terms of rightist 'culture-jamming,' 'overidentification,' and related ideas.

Cheers,
Ted

On 20 Jan 2022, at 7:00, Florian Cramer wrote:

>> - Government propaganda and censorship around lockdown and vaccination
>>
> [...]
>
>> - The role of mass and social media in anti- or pro-lockdown or vaccine
>> propaganda, political polarization and forms of media virality (eg. via
>> covid-19 memes)
>>
> [...]
>
>> - Mandatory vaccine rollouts as assaults to the feminist appeal to bodily
>> autonomy
>>
> [...]
>
>> - Ethical considerations regarding mass experimentation, moral shaming and
>> lateral citizen surveillance
>>
> [...]
>
>> - Teleological and theological narratives of science as salvation (eg. via
>> vaccinations)
>
>
> All beautiful examples of a "Querfront" discourse where extreme right
> positions are packaged in left-wing rhetoric. Not a single point, however,
> on minorities and vulnerable people and communities endangered by
> anti-vaccer egoism, and neo-Darwinist politics - for example in the UK,
> Sweden and the Netherlands, of "herd immunity" through survival of the
> fittest.
>
> You should invite Dutch experts Willem Engel and Thierry Baudet as keynote
> speakers.
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