Re: <nettime> New proposal

[John Hopkins <jhopkins@neoscenes.net>]

While the silence on the list has mirrored my own stepping away from remotely 
mediated conversations more broadly in the stead of paying more attention to 
rewilding a property in western Colorado, I would to make one suggestion. That 
is, while it is uncomplicated to set up a MailMan list instance, it is not easy 
to manage any form of moderation. Given some of the hiccups and disagreements 
that have occurred in the past, I believe that any discussion between and among 
folks who are implementing the rollover and the old guard should be conducted on 
the list. And that all folks involved in the ensuing 'management' of the list 
not only be identified but I would also like to hear them express their goals 
for, opinions on, and understanding of nettime, and how they might 'manage' the 
list. This moment may signify a 'turning-point' for the list, and open 
documentation/discussion would be helpful in determining the future trajectory.

Again, the tech infrastructure implementation is relatively simple in this case, 
but a combination of the replication and renewal of the moderation and 
'management' process should not occur in the dark. Prior instances of secrecy 
and/or undue aggressive bloviating, intended or not, incurred harm to the list 
on occasion. Fortunately it hasn't killed the list yet, but it did drive people 
away.

Thanks, looking forward to the discussion.

John

On 5/14/23 7:05 AM, Geoffrey Goodell wrote:
> Hello Menno and all,
>
> Agree with Menno's proposal -- we should support it.  INC sounds like a
> fantastic host.  It is wonderful to see so much enthusiasm and capacity to keep
> this project going.  I also offer my support as well and am happy to help
> Menno, Geert, and Florian however possible.
>
> To be clear, continuing nettime is important not only because of the value of
> continuing this community.  It is important for building resilience: a bulwark
> against a world of platform services run by powerful data brokers, the world of
> proprietary apps that supplant freedom in favour of control, the world of feeds
> that aim to curate our world, the world of mobile devices that buttress an
> expectation that we must always be online and interruptible.  The earlier
> proposals geared toward transforming nettime into something like that are truly
> heartbreaking.
>
> Thankfully we have decisively stepped away from that precipice.  But what we
> must do now is follow through.  Will Felix and Ted work with us to hand over
> the keys (list membership, archives, configuration settings, DNS records, and
> so on) to some responsible successors.
>
> Menno, please let us know if this new team has any difficulty engaging with
> Felix and Ted to make this happen, please keep us posted, and please let us
> know if we can help.

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