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| Re: <nettime> on moderation and spams (several messages) |
From: [email protected] (Calin Dan) Subject: unsubscribe (?!) I don't know beyond guess who are the frustrated behind that nettime.free spam, but reminds me of a technique that I hoped not to encounter again: opressing people in their own privacy with arrogant lectures about freedom. I unsubscribe from that con list, and I wonder if somebody will have the decency to make clear: 1. who is the brave person/commitee who DIDN'T sign the nettime.free calling mail? 2. with whose permition that person/commitee uses an existing mailing list? That looks like Tesco buying lists of potential clients. But now for free. Right? Congratulations. Calin ----------- Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:38:58 -0800 To: [email protected] From: Peter Lunenfeld <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <nettime> on moderation and spams >I'm sticking with nettime (classic). I find the moderation as it has been >carried out to be desirable and not heavy-handed. I don't mind that someone >is starting a splinter group with a similar name, but I think it is bad net >etiquette to take a mailing list and automagically sign everyone up as has >happened with nettime free. Because I don't have too much time to read >eveything and because of the involuntary subscription I have unsubscribed. > >Steve Cisler I have to agree with Steve Cisler, though I find the nettime.free name derivative and slightly silly. One of the things about listserves is that they flare up and die out with greater fluidity than paper-based discursive organs. If there are dissatisfied nettimers, by all means start a new list, cross-post its address and doxas widely, and encourage the like minded (and even more important, dissenters) to sign up. But I for one still value nettime highly even though, and perhaps because I am not a part of its perceived inner cabal. I haven't been to any of the meetings, have taken no part in the editing of the ZPKs, took on none of the archiving, moderating, digesting, etc. In fact, I was a grateful recipient of the gifts of others to nettime, and I want to thank all of you for that. My path interesected with the list at its inception but I was in Venice that fateful week in '95 to look at art at the Biennale and was simply a spectator at the new media events. I didn't even join the list for at least a year and a half, so I have no sense of an Edenic moment from which the list has fallen. I can't say I miss antiorp's posts, nor that I even noticed them much when I got them (like so many of the nettime.free partisans I too know how to use a delete key). I always understood the idea of "collaborative text filtering" as one that involved greater or lesser amounts of moderation. There was a complaint that nettime tried to reduce the discussion of the list on the list, but that kind of navel-gazing, meta-rhetorical posturing usually bores me to tears. On the other hand, I have enjoyed the texts, discussions and arguments on nettime immensely. I can't say the same so far about nettime.free. I haven't unsubsribed yet, but I expect I will. Count mine as another voice in the ether in support of nettime's development -- past, present and future. Peter Lunenfeld -------- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:17:42 +0100 From: miekal and <[email protected]> Organization: Awkward Ubutronics Subject: Re: <nettime> on moderation and spams Stefan Wray wrote: > Filtering out Antiorp nonsense is fine with me. I don't have time > for jibberish from anonymous sources. There is enough jibberish from > people I know that I have to read. If people think this is against free > speech, now they can read as much nonsensical Antiorp jibberish as they > want on the other nettime list. this is a redickulous notion, that some kind of moderated objectivity can be applied to languaged constructions of text, one person's gibberish is another's FINNEGAN'S WAKE, seems like most of what filters thru this list is chosen for its ability to speak the nettimespeak, I like my language constructed realities to approach wilderness & tornados-- miekal and -Dreamtime Village- <http://net22.com/dreamtime/index.shtml> [hypermedia works by Miekal And, Liaizon Wakest, Lyx Ish & Allegra Fi Wakest] -Qazingulaza- <http://net22.com/qazingulaza/index.html> ----- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:27:44 +1000 From: scotartt <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Autonomous Organisation Yes comrades, be free or we will shoot! This is not "free" - I did not freely choose to be here. Call a spade a spade, its a prison, not a "re-education camp" and we're all in detention. It should be properly named - nettime.spam. Why should I be lectured about "net freedom" by a list-owner (who has not identified themselves) who obviously is such a net.newbie, they don't understand basic netiquette. I know how to use majordomo. I refuse to do so because I didn't operate it in the first to get on this spam-list. The list-owner can face up to their own responsibility. Subscriptions to lists are the users' choice! It's no better than MAKE MONEY FA$T as far as I am concerned. It will make good essay fodder for nettime, that's for sure. scot. -------- From: P Nathan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <nettime> on moderation and spams another vote for what Stefan and David wrote. just how did all those (private) names and addresses get released to the people over at "nettime.assholes" ? plus, their Majordomo was barfing on "unsubscribe" earlier... moderate as thou will, shall be the whole of the nettime.law - pxn. ------- Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:20:14 +0300 From: John Hopkins <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <nettime> on moderation and spams antiorp sowed seeds of discord so simply and so (fill-in-your-favorite-adverb, positive or negative) -- now stand back and watch culture (cultcha!) disintegrate like Europe (well, everywhere else, for that matter) tends to do anyway, given half a chance. where's ma' AK-47, or Kalishnikov, or ... Is this effectivity or affectation in action? 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