Re: [oldboys] HAL

[Cornelia Sollfrank <cornelia@snafu.de>]

hi,

tnx for introducing HAL.

i'll definitely go there, because... it's already a kind of tradition...


>These guys you are refering to are very gentle and open minded to humans.

i would add: if you speak THEIR language. that is what muPe also says later:

>I can testimony that those
>male geeks are glad/reliefed if we women join their topics.


reg. the segregation of sexes computer scene: 
>We women have to inspect how we helped to accomplish this.

i am not really happy with that, because we should not so much try to find out what we made wrong in the past.

what most women feel when they are entering the hacking scene (without boyfriend hacker who brought her there) is an uneasiness and feeling uncomfortable, because the hacker scene is purely male. THIS IS STRANGE. 

not because they would not be interested in the tech talk, but because it simply is such a strange and unusual way of communication and behaviour. women and men have to get used to it, and it really takes a while. still, i think it is worth giving it another try.

what regularly sucks is the fact, that hackers consider themselves as very openminded, tolerant, subversive, ... and being so self-rightous they tend to forget, tend not TO SEE, that they're men only, and that this is not natural, not coincidence, but that it means something, represents something: the fact that the social power structure with white males on top (you will also have problems to find any black hackers) is simply reproduced in this very open-minded, tolerante and blabla environment. but we know this from other limited-political environments, like 60s student revolt i.e. 

it would already be a progess, if anybody would realize that fact. 

at the ccc (german hacker annual conference) there's special programs for women hackers meanwhile, not dogmatic, just a little progressing....and under certain, very hard conditions, it can still make sense to create own spaces.

and it is always good, if you have an idea what you would want to do/ to learn at such an event. then you can really profit from the highly concentrated knowledge you find there. i'll bring my new linux laptop:-))
and you could run a workshop yourself, or do a little project. how about an opinion poll about gender and hacking? 

let's have our tents next to eachother! 

best, c.



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