Andreas Broeckmann on Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:48:45 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> apropos "relax dear"


friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that "nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it serves to constitute.
(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
regards,
-a


Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:
about that

 > dear angela,
 > relax dear.
 > it is ok.
 > noone is recruiting anyone here.
 > chill.
 > best,
 > w

so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela?
do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this is normal??


    Message: 1
    Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:12:54 +1100
    From: Angela Mitropoulos <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
    To: Nettime <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Subject: Re: <nettime> apropos of nothing

    It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like
    answered. It
    makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even
    deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence
    you've
    furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and
    shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and
    black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space
    can keep
    ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are
    less than
    human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I
    asked
    this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in
    debating
    this further.

    I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably
    in the
    negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that
    Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a
    better world
    has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or
    Gab for
    that matter.

    Angela
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