Re: <nettime> apropos "relax dear"

[Jo M2M <jo@xs4all.nl>]

Yes, the fundamental question lurking in any collective is "who cleans the toilet?".
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* please, don't other me *
Jo van der Spek M2M
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http://schipholbrand.net dinsdag, 06 november 2018, 00:19p.m. +01:00 van Andreas Broeckmann  ab@mikro.in-berlin.de :

>friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to 
>angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should 
>give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that 
>"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the 
>openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this 
>in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the 
>discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape 
>through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they 
>respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be 
>not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly 
>and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist 
>trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality 
>of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague 
>collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to 
>express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate 
>some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i 
>believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it 
>serves to constitute.
>(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
>regards,
>-a
>
>
>Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:
> about that
>
>> dear angela,
>> relax dear.
>> it is ok.
>> noone is recruiting anyone here.
>> chill.
>> best,
>> w
>
> so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela?
> do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this 
> is normal??
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:12:54 +1100
> From: Angela Mitropoulos < angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com
>>
> To: Nettime < nettime-l@kein.org>
> Subject: Re:  apropos of nothing
>
> It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like
> answered. It
> makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even
> deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence
> you've
> furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and
> shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and
> black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space
> can keep
> ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are
> less than
> human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I
> asked
> this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in
> debating
> this further.
>
> I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably
> in the
> negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that
> Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a
> better world
> has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or
> Gab for
> that matter.
>
> Angela
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