[nettime-lat] FW: <nettime> The US-Mexico Border (DJ Spooky y Coco Fusco)

["luis humberto clinton" <cybercholito@hotmail.com>]

Mas entre la pol�mica que promueve Coco en Nettime. Por lo dem�s hubiera 
sido incre�ble que participara en Borderhack, quiz� para el pr�ximo.

Saludos.

Luis Humberto Rosales.


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De: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@mail.earthlink.net>
Responder a: "Paul D. Miller" <anansi1@mail.earthlink.net>
Fecha: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:11:24 -0400
Para: "nettime-l@bbs.thing.net" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Asunto: <nettime> The US-Mexico Border

Hi Coco - no I didn't make it to the event, but I made sure to have
it covered when I was editor at large of Artbyte (although, ha ha,
Mark Dery stole the idea and copied my concept....), and this year I
also helped promote it on-line because of other obligations on my
time and energy in the "real" world - as a matter of fact, this year
I threw a bash at Burning Man celebrating Buckminster Fuller's ideas
on ecology and architecture(do we always have to only do what's
expected of our ethnic groups?) ..... No I don't speak Spanish but,
again, it's a progressive situation, and in this day and age, the
borderhack concept represents something that I think could and should
be a place to find linkages between cultures rather than
hairsplitting over ideological differences..... I'm all for the
notion of art in action, and considering at the moment that President
Fox is in the U.S. to promote his coca-cola brand remix of Mexico in
the face of the inertia caused by the Institutional Revolutionary
Party (what a paradoxical name... worthy of Huxley or Orwell, or for
that matter Jose Donoso or Augusto Boal...), I think that the moment
was opportune to try this kind of thing out. I did, however, loan use
of my music for elements of the borderhack website... and I have a
pretty big following on-line, and I hope that the music helped bring
people to the site.... anyway, it's always my first impulse to
applaud new energy and to try to figure out ways to dynamically place
what's happening in a context that creates bridges between scenes and
cultures.... thus the support - even though I'm African American and
distant from that particular border situation...

    In the U.S., as with the internet, the borders amongst
race/class/social hierarchy aren't as clear cut as a basic
geographical situation like the U.S. Mexico Border (I remember that
when I posted on my views of Mark Dery, Pit Schultz wrote me to say I
was middle class and I asked him "do all black people have to be from
the ghetto?" and never heard a response....) but anyway, that's a
different border... his silence, like many of the bland old left
oriented folks that are simply rhetoricians of some kind of
neo-romantic notion of avoiding any kind of dialog about the reality
of how technology impacts the way we think about identity and
techno-science, spoke much much more about the kind of emptiness of
the old left... but I don't want to get caught up in this kind of
dialog between two folks who I respect alot like you and Fran... I
just think "hey, why not check out the situation and see what kind of
linkages can be built." To quote Manuel Delanda, a philosopher of
technology who happens to be Mexican, "human history is a narrative
of contingencies, not necessities, of missed opportunities to follow
different routes of development, not of a unilinear succession of
ways to convert energy, matter, and information into cultural
products..." The idea for me, here and now, is to bring new energy to
the mix, and to figure out ways to open the culture I live in... on
this topic, there's a great new book about "connection theory" from
Steven Johnson called "Emergence" that I think you might be into. For
folks like Pit Schultz, I guess I'm not from what KRS-1 called
"ghettoes of the mind." To me, most boundaries are imaginary. It's
all about the mix... what next? A borderhack Israel and Palesine
might be interesting.... That's a mix I'd like to check out.... but
again, hey, maybe we need the palestinian equivalent of what Fran's
up to... that'd be pretty wild...

okay,
peace as always,
Paul






>Paul,
>  There has been the best, most politically complex dialogue on 
>nettime-latino
>in ages  about borderhack2, which you may not know about because it has 
>been
>in Spanish. My comments are in response to that debate and to zillions of
>emails from confused Europeans about the border. I stand by my critiques of
>the bullshit pseudotheorizing that dominates nettime, cyberculture and the
>appropriation of the US-Mexico border as a hip site for net.nurds, and more
>that critique will be in my next book. Old timers like me at least have a
>memory which can be useful in moments when the young and restless are 
>putting
>their feet in their mouths. Fran doesn't need to be defended, really,
>especially if you weren't even at the event this year or last.
>Peace,
>Coco



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